tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post7146928214661825116..comments2023-07-23T06:19:34.894-04:00Comments on Adapting in Place: The big problems #'s 1 and 2Robyn M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08885081377174592304noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-57582965818932017072011-03-25T20:28:58.120-04:002011-03-25T20:28:58.120-04:00I know I'm a little late to the conversation, ...I know I'm a little late to the conversation, but thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. We installed a soapstone woodstove last summer, and we love it. We have a geothermal system, but it uses a ton of electricity. This January, our geothermal electricity use was down by 50% due to the woodstove (which we only fire during the day when we're at home). I wouldn't recommend a soapstone stove for cooking though--not enough heat transfer quickly enough. We can probably finagle a better system for cooking, but most of the time it's hard to get a simmer. And there are a lot of people who chop and sell wood in a bad economy as a way to make extra money.Geomomhttp://www.migeomom.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-15485530009534311992011-02-08T18:01:48.154-05:002011-02-08T18:01:48.154-05:00P.S. Don't know if you're interested but ...P.S. Don't know if you're interested but here's a link to building a <br />DIY "heat grabber".<br /><br />http://www.motherearthnews.com/Renewable-Energy/2006-02-01/Do-It-Yourself-Solar-Heat-Collectors.aspx<br /><br />Have not actually made one myself so can't vouch for the results, but it's an interesting idea.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />AstridAstridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05950582993141303223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-30767321300025187012011-02-08T17:34:18.646-05:002011-02-08T17:34:18.646-05:00Hi Robyn,
Must concur with ChrisBear, we just ins...Hi Robyn,<br /><br />Must concur with ChrisBear, we just installed a small insert in our downstairs fireplace and it's great.<br /><br />Been reading the Archdruid Report and one project that I'd like to work on soon is building a rocket stove and using it in conjuction with a haybox or fireless cooker.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />AstridAstridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05950582993141303223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-76800595879758396492011-02-02T10:49:52.182-05:002011-02-02T10:49:52.182-05:00Robyn,
I heated my 4BR house in Minneapolis for tw...Robyn,<br />I heated my 4BR house in Minneapolis for two winters entirely with wood using a small woodstove insert in my fireplace. The savings on gas alone paid off the stove, installation, and trips to get wood by the end of winter #2. If you are disciplined, the ROI can be pretty fast. By disciplined I mean accepting some 50F mornings when you are too busy/lazy/sick to stock up the stove. Or when you goofed off in the fall and did not stock enough wood and have to start rationing in late Feb. :)<br /><br />I bought some wood, but mostly drove my little car around (Subaru Foresters _rock_!) and cut/picked up wood. Then I split it in the back yard with ax and maul. The trick is not to try to split a cord at a time; just a little 'workout' after work or whenever. <br /><br />My stove was inside the existing fireplace. But if I could do it again, I would tear out the fireplace and just have the stove sitting free. It had enough flat space on top for two large pots. And having more airflow around the stove would have transferred heat into the house more efficiently. Look for a non-catalytic stove! Have fun :)ChrisBearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-84676174281672849232011-01-29T08:06:47.320-05:002011-01-29T08:06:47.320-05:00Hi Colin,
Naw, that's not counter to the poin...Hi Colin,<br /><br />Naw, that's not counter to the point of my blog, just not the same particular goal as mine. We both want to find ways to adapt to the upcoming... er... SHTF. I haven't thought carefully about the nomadic strategy myself, but it seems like an entirely reasonable response. It's not the direction we've chosen, mostly because we already own a home, we have two small children, and we've developed roots in this town. None of these facts *require* that we stay put, but they make it very compelling. I think there's also a fair amount of "been there, done that" in my own attitude, too. We spent the first decade or so of our relationship, including the first few years with children, being fairly nomadic--moving each year for jobs, never setting roots, not owning much, etc. That way of living certainly has a lot to recommend it (and I understand that your version would be far further down the nomad path that we did). But when we moved here, we planned to stay put, and developed our life accordingly. <br /><br />I suspect that adaptation to upcoming problems will require many, many different responses. Some of us will become nomads, some of us will flee the cities for homesteading, some will stay in the cities and learn to make that work. It will take lots of strategies.<br /><br />The one thing I would council you to do if you pursue your nomadic strategy is to not neglect the creation and maintenance of bonds with others. There may well come a day when you are not able to be as mobile as you'd like (and depending on what happens, that could be sooner than later) and you'll want a place to be able to stay put, even if only for a little while.Robyn M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08885081377174592304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-32417486676547208962011-01-28T21:19:02.593-05:002011-01-28T21:19:02.593-05:00Most of my doomsday scenario plans involve travel ...Most of my doomsday scenario plans involve travel (by bicycle, probably) to warmer climates, and migrating with the seasons. I realize this runs counter to the very point of your blog, but I'd be interested in your thoughts.Colin Pizarekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400360400570894432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-34230050041322794442011-01-28T13:30:24.075-05:002011-01-28T13:30:24.075-05:00Gawds. Have I ever mentioned how very much I love...Gawds. Have I ever mentioned how very much I love my readers? GREAT COMMENTS ALL! This is so helpful--it's like being able to have a stream-of-consciousness monologue with the wall, and then the wall actually responding in a helpful and compassionate way. Rocks.<br /><br />I'm certainly leaning wood-heat-ward, albeit not sure when or how we will afford it (maybe we can just roll the cost into our mortgage). <br /><br />Jennie, good point about insurance--I'd only thought about that late yesterday after I posted already. <br /><br />Emily, I love the idea of using the basement, that completely rocks, and I never would've thought of it. Our basement isn't even close to finished right now, but it could possibly be. Thanks for the info about the fridge, too, that's very useful. <br /><br />Bev, I think I am more interested in the sort of stove you mention, mostly due to space constraints, but so far I haven't found many that aren't just as expensive as a full-sized cookstove. Do you have any particular suggestions or experience there? <br /><br />Lynda & Wendy, good points about sources of wood. We live in mid-Indiana, which has plenty of forests. And brush! OMG, the brush.Robyn M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08885081377174592304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-69646823948134043902011-01-28T12:59:01.773-05:002011-01-28T12:59:01.773-05:00Please factor in home insurance when thinking abou...Please factor in home insurance when thinking about fireplaces and wood stoves. Where I live in Iowa, these types of things add significantly to the price of insurance.Jenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994844081172979101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-88083780990502970052011-01-28T11:22:10.889-05:002011-01-28T11:22:10.889-05:00Here's that fan:
http://www.lehmans.com/store/...Here's that fan:<br />http://www.lehmans.com/store/Stoves___Hearth_Accessories___Heat_Powered_Fans___Wood_Stove___88510?Args=Emilyhttp://eatclosetohome.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-47460268209816606932011-01-28T11:18:20.222-05:002011-01-28T11:18:20.222-05:00I'm on the woodstove bandwagon, too. Don't...I'm on the woodstove bandwagon, too. Don't worry about the chimney overheating your fridge, either; most of the heat of a woodstove goes into the room, not the chimney.<br /><br />Nix solar electric for heat; you lose 75% of the solar energy converting to electricity, then you lose 50%+ of THAT converting back to heat. Instead, think passive solar: big window heats thermal mass in the house and radiates it back. Won't keep you toasty, but it's cheaper, simpler, lasts longer, and won't degrade over time.<br /><br />You have a basement, right? You might make that part of your plan. It's probably a steady 50 or 55 down there all winter. If you finished a corner of it and put your (tiny) wood stove down there, now you've got an earth-bermed room with a heat/cooking source.<br /><br />Has anyone used one of the no-motor woodstove fans Lehman's sells? I'm considering getting one, but we have a fireplace insert an supposedly they're not great for that.<br /><br />You can use a rocket stove indoors, if it has a chimney. Look up "Justa Stove" online.Emilyhttp://eatclosetohome.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-52473408642953650522011-01-28T08:51:59.087-05:002011-01-28T08:51:59.087-05:00You can cook over a candle.
Let's say we en...You can cook over a candle. <br /><br />Let's say we end up in worst-case-scenario land, and you haven't installed your woodstove, yet. So, you don't have a heat source in the house. Outside, you build a firepit, and you use the fire outside to heat up things like rocks, which you use to heat a very small space in your house, just enough so that your family can huddle around the heat source and not freeze all night. <br /><br />In the summer, you use the fire pit outside and your pressure canner to can soups and broths. Over the winter, you use a candle as your heat source to warm up the soups you've canned during the summer :).<br /><br />And you don't have to have a source of "fire wood" for the fire outside. You can use brush. We boiled down 100 gallons of maple sap to syrup one year using just the branches from a tree our neighbor had cut down the previous summer. They may want to keep the "wood" from the trees they cull where you work, but they might be willing to part with the twigs and leaves, which you could use at home in your outside fire pit ;).<br /><br />All that said, I do have a woodstove. I live in Maine, and I wouldn't have a house up here that didn't have a woodstove. It is worth every penny we invested in it. In fact, for the past two winters, we've heated our house for free, because we're willing to burn pine, and a lot of older pine trees are knocked down during spring and summer storms, and people just want to someone to take those trees out of their yards ;).Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642417312794814066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-72340461426209787282011-01-27T21:50:08.116-05:002011-01-27T21:50:08.116-05:00Many regular woodstoves have a surface that works ...Many regular woodstoves have a surface that works well for stove-top stuff without the huge pricetag of the wood cookstove. Maybe you could build a brick oven in the backyard if you absolutely must bake when the power is out. That's on my list right after the rocket stove.<br /><br />We have lots of wood on our own property, but we buy it anyway, because turning a tree into firewood is a lot of work, and there's no way we could justify all the time and effort for the money. The secure feeling in the winter when you have a bunch of wood and a woodstove is worth the price of admission.Bevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09106200660390587077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1930142685890514338.post-43559439425578812502011-01-27T16:41:19.870-05:002011-01-27T16:41:19.870-05:00Both of my pellet stoves require electricity. One ...Both of my pellet stoves require electricity. One will flip over to marine battery operation if the power goes out...but I also have two fireplaces...(I have a house and a vacation place)...I would never not have a fireplace or woodburning stove...for emergency heat and cooking...and just for plain old enjoyment. Where I'm from wood's not a problem...orchards get torn out and replaced, old oak and pine trees die.Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14189157322930654023noreply@blogger.com